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Next Game United Vs Liverpool

Discussion in 'Matchday Live' started by Irwinwastheking, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. Irwinwastheking

    Irwinwastheking Lover, not a fighter!

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    Bring it fucking on after that game today! The team showed balls and bottle and the three points gives us a bit of comfort so we can take a few risks.

    3-1 to United
     
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  2. gasman

    gasman Mr Whippy

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    I’ve been Mr Negative in recent weeks due to results and performances but we showed character tonight. If we can get a level of tempo similar to the last half hour tonight then we should get the job done. They will score, 2-1 united win.
     
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  3. Irwinwastheking

    Irwinwastheking Lover, not a fighter!

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    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::rd::banana:
     
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  4. gasman

    gasman Mr Whippy

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    Meh! I’ve just been honest.

    Wouldn’t mind us going a bit old hat. Give the cunts the ball for fifteen minutes and absolutely lift them off the turf with powerful challenges and basically batter the little bastards to death in the opening moments.
    Have Lukaku sat on Dick Van Dyke and give him an absolute clonking, balls into space behind the CB and let our forward loose on the sopping wet fanny.
    Winding myself up already for this!! I’ll be there early doors, Bishop for pre match twattery
     
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  5. Irwinwastheking

    Irwinwastheking Lover, not a fighter!

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    The ref will be important here. Jose buttering up the ref tonight saying he was great for letting the game flow and not being too fussy wasn't a coincidence. Someone needs to give Salah a reason for lying on the ground like he usually does the diving prick.
     
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  6. Big Papi

    Big Papi Bogger

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    Should win this. Will be nervous as fuck on the day. Haven't felt like this about soccer for a good while.
     
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  7. RajahRar

    RajahRar Pretty cool guy, for a Scouser.

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    Did someone ask for opinions? Go on then.

    It doesn't matter what position our two clubs are in. It never has. Fergie understood that. Kenny understood it. Man Utd v Liverpool is the only game in town. You can take your Chelsea's, your City's and your local derbies. This is THE game.

    What's even weirder about this match is it has rarely been significant. By this I mean we are rarely challenging for something at the same time. During the Ferguson years there were only one, maybe two, seasons when we were both battling for the title at the same time, which gave this game added weight. During Liverpool's dominant period of the 1970's and 80's there wasn't a single season. Take out a few cup games and the league is simply about bragging rights.

    Yet still, this game is the only one that matters.

    There isn't really much point looking at the longer term history of this fixture as we both have managers that have indelibly imprinted their style onto our teams now and so it really becomes about them and the clash of two very differing approaches.

    In the dirty red corner, we have Jose. The most successful manager of his generation. Now under pressure to prove that his approach and tactics haven't become outdated as the likes of Pep and his ilk look to change the conversation from stringent defensive strength to free-flowing multiple attacking lines. Can and will he adapt? A special one? Yes. An arrogant cunt? Yes. But he's your arrogant cunt.

    In the sexy red corner, we have Jurgen. One of the new brigade of "kill the team with so much movement pressing and attacking that the opponent will just give up" tactic. Heavy metal football and gegenpressing aficionado. When it clicks, boy does it click. But he too is under pressure to deliver silverware and prove that he isn't just in Peps now gargantuan shadow. Can he build consistency enough to challenge for major honours in the hardest league in the World? A wild one? Yes. A loudmouth cunt? Yes. Be he's my loudmouth cunt.

    As managers of our respective clubs it's played 3, drawn 3. The two Anfield games saw some of the most defensive football Mourinho has ever served up. Dour 0-0's don't come much dourer, and I should know as I've seen enough of them during my lot in life of being a Liverpool fan. The OT game last January came at a time when Liverpool were in freefall, while Man Utd in the ascendency. Yet, another nervous affair ensued with Man Utd requiring a late goal to rescue a point.

    As a head to head, Klopp has the best record against Mourinho of any top manager with 3 wins, 3 draws and 1 defeat. Those three draws though have all come as Liverpool manager.

    The script seems simple, Mourinho will try to keep it tight and look to frustrate Liverpool's attack so that they can then get the goal to protect, and then pick us off on the break. Liverpool will look to tire Man Utd out by constantly probing and pressing until they get the breakthrough.

    But... for the first time, the Mourinho of old looks to be stirring a little. Against Chelsea, he surprised everyone with a narrow 4-2-2-2 which gave Pogba the free role he'd longed for and managed to squeeze all his attacking players in. It paid off and could again against Liverpool as he will trust his defence and the superhuman De Gea to gather up cross after cross after cross, while dominating the midfield. Against Palace, the Mourinho of old was on show again, with earlier than normal changes that gave the team the platform to bounce back after a dismal first half.

    For Klopp, things seem to have clicked into place. Since that dismal 4-1 defeat at Spurs back in October Liverpool have taken 47 points. Only City can top that with 50 points. Over that 20 game period, Man Utd have 42 points, Spurs 38, Chelsea 37 and Arsenal an abysmal 29 points. Despite the loss of a key player and the ongoing goalkeeper debacle, the form has been title challenging level. Klopp also seems to have found a way to deal with the teams that look to park the bus and frustrate. Against Newcastle, we barely got out of 2nd gear but despite rigid organisation, you could see just how much energy the Newcastle midfield and defence was having to expend just to keep the chances to a minimum. Same for West Ham, Southampton and Huddersfield. The performances haven't been Porto away levels, but they've been professional and still resulted in chances, goals and wins.

    As for the game, it's not fence sitting to say it could go either way. It genuinely could. If Liverpool score early and bring the type of game they did to Arsenal and City recently then they could canter to a win. But, if Man Utd show the adaptability they have recently then with the attacking firepower you have, it could easily be a big score. We've shown against both Spurs and City away that we have it in us to take a real beating when it doesn't click for us.

    3-0 for either team. A low scoring or high scoring draw. Seriously, no score would surprise me. Our defence has clearly improved and looked more stable, but they are very fresh green shoots of recovery in that area and all it takes is one big team (like your lot) to quickly stamp that out. This is a proper test.

    Assuming no injuries against Porto or other fitness concerns our line-up will be:

    Karius
    Gomez - Lovren - Van Dijk - Robertson
    Henderson - Can - Milner
    Salah - Firmino - Mane

    Would like to see Lallana in that midfield, but I still don't think he's quite there after his injuries. Anyway, for all the talk of the defence in recent months, the real weak spot is that midfield. Henderson is a fine player, but Can and Milner don't have the energy or robustness to be everywhere and that can leave Henderson exposed. Target that midfield and we'll struggle.

    Which is a really long-winded way of saying... I don't have a fucking clue what will happen on Saturday.

    Oh, and I hate lunchtime games.
     
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  8. El Sheriffo Nevo

    El Sheriffo Nevo I'm kind of a big deal
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    Klopp has to take some responsibility for the most recent 0-0 game at Anfield. Yes, we set up to stifle your forward players and hopefully nick something on the break (we almost did), but Liverpool were the home side and made no more effort to win the game than we did. Klopp, in fact, pussied out of an attacking change when he made his like for like substitutions, and refused to change the shape of his side. Mourinho got hammered for his defensive set-up, away at Anfield of all fucking places, but Klopp was no more brave or made no more effort to change the tie and go for the win, rather he was content to see the game peter out into the inevitable draw it ended up being.
     
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  9. Irwinwastheking

    Irwinwastheking Lover, not a fighter!

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    I wonder how we line up for this game. Physio room has us with 7 players injured, Martial who should be OK, Rojo is down to be back for this game, Herrera shouldn't be too long but I doubt he'd come straight back in for this anyway, Phil Jones I have no idea when he's due back, then Fellaini, Blind and Zlatan who won't be available.

    The team that lined out against Chelsea is all available and I think we'll probably go with something very similar to that.

    ------------------DeGea
    Valencia Smalling Lindelof Young
    ------McTominey Matic Pogba
    -------Sanchez Lukaku Martial

    Would love to have seen Bailly get more time before this game and have him fully fit but it's unliklely he starts imo. Likewise with Rojo, hard to see him get the start. Smalling and Lindelof worry me against them. The back 4 the last time we played Liverpool was Darmian, Jones, Smalling and Valencia but Young was played as a winger and often dropped in beside Valencia.

    If we go with the team above then Sanchez will really need to up his game from what we've seen lately. I wouldn't be adverse to Rashford starting ahead of Martial. He's someone who can make something out of nothing by himself, take the team forward 40/50 yards and win corners.
     
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  10. gasman

    gasman Mr Whippy

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    No mention of Jesse
     
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  11. Irwinwastheking

    Irwinwastheking Lover, not a fighter!

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    I'd love to see him start, but that's the team I believe will play. He's in better form than Sanchez or Martial at the moment. I'd also like Mata to start as he's scouse kryptonite.
     
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  12. RajahRar

    RajahRar Pretty cool guy, for a Scouser.

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    Second thoughts on mine. Reckon we might play Oxlade-Chamberlain over Milner. It would make us more attacking, but give us more energy. He's been on good form now he's settled.
     
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  13. Big Papi

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    This will be our 200th competitive game ever against Liverpool.

    Our record is W79 D55 L65 F272 A251.
     
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  14. El Sheriffo Nevo

    El Sheriffo Nevo I'm kind of a big deal
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    So, what you're saying is we're better than them and have been since forever?

    @Barney
     
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  15. Irwinwastheking

    Irwinwastheking Lover, not a fighter!

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    How is that possible when we've always had worse players and managers than them. The biggest shock is the goals, can't understand that when they are the keepers of the flame in regards to pure attacking football. Must be fake stats and Fa bias.
     
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  16. Big Papi

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    United have a superior record against all our main domestic rivals.

    We have an inferior record with 16 teams, four of whom are English.

    Burton Wanderers P6 W2 D1 L3 Played from 1894-1897. Between all the mergers, they are in League 1 as Burton Albion.
    Bootle Reserves P1 W0 D0 L1 Played in 1890. ...lucky we didn't play their full team! Currently in level 9 of the league.
    Southend United P1 W0 D0 L1 Played in 2006. Currently in League 1.
    MK Dons P1 W0 D0 L1 Played in 2014. Currently in League 1.

    Our other inferior records are:
    Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, AC Milan, Athletic Bilbao, Ferencvaros, Partizan Belgrade, Estudiantes De La Plata, Atletico Madrid, Lazio, Vasco da Gama & Zenit Saint Petersburg.
     
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  17. Big Papi

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    Not always. Have done the results out in chronological order and the last time they were ahead in the head2head was in 1983.
     
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  18. Big Papi

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    OK, since the start, United have been ahead for 23,235 days, while Liverpool have been ahead for 21,860 days. However, 3,893 of Liverpool's days were garnered in the first 10 years, when the teams only played six times.

    United have been ahead for 123 ties, while Liverpool have been ahead for 76 ties.

    United have been ahead for the past 84 ties....and because we're 14 ahead, it will be at least that before Liverpool catch us. That should add another 2,000 days to United's dominance.

    The sides have NEVER been level on games and GD. Amazeballs.
     
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  19. Irwinwastheking

    Irwinwastheking Lover, not a fighter!

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    My source I tend to use for this type of stuff has different numbers to you Papi.

    https://www.11v11.com/teams/manchester-united/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Liverpool/

    Games won: 87
    Games drawn: 65
    Games lost: 75

    Making it 227 played and United still 12 ahead.

    That though includes...
    Charity Shield x5
    WW2 North Region War League x14
    WW2 West Region War League x2
    WW1 Lancashire Section - Principal Tournament x8
    WW1 Lancashire Section - Subsidiary Tournament (South) x2
    WW1 Lancashire Cup x2
    Test Match x1 (The first game we played against each other in 1894, 124 years ago)

    That totals to 34 games so I'm assuming your total only has the Charity Shield games from those included.
     
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    The CS & the test game. Still leaves your total as 200. Do you have a breakdown for all comps?

    x L1
    x EPL
    x L2
    x FAC
    x LC
    2 EL
    5 CS
    1 Test

    I'll get my spreadsheet when I get home.
     
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