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Manchester United vs Tottenham Hotspur

Discussion in 'Matchday Live' started by StuCol, Aug 27, 2018.

  1. StuCol

    StuCol I'm not a chimp you chumps

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    We really are shit aren't we?
     
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  2. gaskrankinstation

    gaskrankinstation Apprentice

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    We have been shit every season since Sir Alex left, the improvement over that time has been miniscule.
    Jose has been on the downward slide for a number of years, his better days vanished long ago. TBH, i wanted him to come to United for quite a few years before he eventually did arrive, however i was wrong.
    I think i believed in all the 'special one' hype and the fact he is a big name in football, maybe i thought he could almost wave a magic wand and return us to our winning ways?

    I'm glad we lost today and i'm glad it was 3-0 as well. I want him gone tomorrow! He has given it a go but he wasn't suitable for the club. He looks miserable and uninterested. His time at Manchester United will detract from his reputation and that is good, as far as i'm concerned.

    Still waiting to see this amazing player named Paul Pogba, but i have only been able to see a very average player with that name. He has had more than enough time at the club.

    Liverpool were crap for a while but now they look like they are definitely on the up and up, and that gives me a little bit of hope that at some stage things will improve for United too.

    Just read that Andy Gray thinks the next United manager should be Martinez!!! :thelouis:
     
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  3. Nostracarmus

    Nostracarmus Je Suis Un Fanny

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    First half? Not really, was quite exciting.

    Second half: Sweet mother of all things holy, shit is an understatement.

    Shaw was good though.
     
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  4. Big Papi

    Big Papi Bogger

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    Didn't see it. One of the young lads had a hurling game.

    I so wanted Mourinho to come. I thought he was chastened enough by his time in Madrid and second stint in Chelsea, but he just does not look capable of doing the job.

    The problem is....who is? Would Zidane actually come to a league where every weekend could be a battle?
     
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  5. Nostracarmus

    Nostracarmus Je Suis Un Fanny

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    I'm not sure, but we need someone that isn't always on the defensive in every single aspect of being a manager.

    It's the perfect job for any manager that wants to stamp their name on the game. I would reckon lots would be interested, Zidane included. We're Manchester United.
     
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  6. Barney

    Barney First Team Regular

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    Phil Jones is shocking.

    Every manager who would be the closest thing to a sure improvement on Mourinho is taken and wouldn't leave their current clubs. Klopp, Guardiola, and Poch would all be mental to leave and wouldn't be interested. Simeone loves Atletico and has been backed heavily recently with the likes of Diego Costa joining so I don't see him leaving. Anyone else would be a massive gamble. As for the other bigger names... Ancelotti has just joined Napoli and Allegri has just been given Ronaldo. I'd say it's quite likely he wants to try and win a champions league while he has the likes of Ronaldo, Dybala, Bonucci, Sandro, PJanic, etc. For younger coaches, Tuchel has just joined PSG and Nagelsmann has agreed to join RBL.

    Everyone else probably would be interested, but other than Zidane and Conte, you aren't going to get a proven manager. Even Zidane holds a lot of risks, despite his magnificent achievements in Europe. Also, you look at the difficulty Madrid had appointing a manager and it isn't going to be easier for United. Even Bayern are being coached by Kovac, an unknown quantity in the grand scheme of things.

    Woodward fucked up on this one. Either Mourinho was the man and you had to back him during the summer or he wasn't and in that case you should've sacked him. Personally, I think you'll find it difficult to improve on him.

    I think if Mourinho does go, he should take a year off before jumping back into management.
     
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  7. GM!

    GM! ♫ Go Go Man United ♫

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    Holy fuck, Barney made a post worth reading.
     
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  8. gasman

    gasman Mr Whippy

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    The problem isn’t just Mourinho, it’s a combination of many factors. The board and especially Woodward need to take a long hard look at themselves. The manager should have been backed or sacked and have ended up with neither. The decision makers at the club don’t seem to have the courage of their own convictions and it’s left us with another farce of a summer transfer window. So now we have to lick our wounds and watch us flounder about lacking the strengthening in the areas that our manager highlighted. It’s tough to blame Mourinho in all honesty, especially after the first half of the spurs game where we visibly had a right go at it. We capitulated because our best player at the time (fullback) lost position and allowed spurs two goals, also backed up by having center backs that aren’t fit for purpose. We need more of that first half performance going forward and we the fans will be asking serious questions of the board and that dickEd Woodward, I just hope Jose’s got the bottle to do it, fuck the results, let’s get the performances sorted first and foremost.
     
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  9. GM!

    GM! ♫ Go Go Man United ♫

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    It's easy to say that we had such a great defensive record last season.

    We did, but that's because Mourinho doesn't trust his defence (deservedly so IMO) and player defensively, probably to combat the poor defensive individuals.

    Our defenders are absolutely shit, every single 1 of them, I include Bailly in that.

    There's not a single world class defender in our team, and not a leader amongst them.

    If there was a Rio or Vidic in there, it would work, but it's like the blind leading the blind out there.

    But, the fault also lies with Mourinho on this because he's signed 2 defenders and neither have been up to scratch.

    Bailly, whilst I do like him, has been surprise surprise injury prone and erratic when he does play. I think he would be good with a solid leader besides him.

    Victor is absolutely pants, I gave him a chance, but he's just not at this level and hasn't done anything to show he is.
     
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  10. gasman

    gasman Mr Whippy

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    I’d keep Bailley and send the rest to Everton. We’ve got reasonable quality at FB. However, Valencia and Young are old now. Shaw, great going forward but an inconsistent defender. Darmian, an alright defender but shite going forward.
    Our defensive record last year had a lot too do with Matic and his ability to contain and control games. We also had Pogba sat next to him for the majority (which negates his forward play).
    So far we’ve had Pereira play Matic role and he wasn’t fit for purpose. I know we got mauled in the second half by spurs but we will get some solidity back once Nemanja gets match fitness.
    I’m not panicking yet, we’ve a run of winnable games now so we might find ourselves back in the mix before long.

    This defensive farce needs sorting as soon as the window opens. It’s actually been going on since fergies days when we played Carrick there on occasion, when the other two liabilities were unfit (same two wallies we had charging about looking bewildered on Monday night)
     
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  11. Barney

    Barney First Team Regular

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    Mourinho is hardly known for his attacking football, to be fair. He's just reverted to type. Also, you had a great defensive record, but a lot of that was down to De Gea. Teams were getting a really high number of shots and shots on target against you in comparison to other teams.

    Nah, your centre backs aren't shit. They're of a similar level to the rest of the top team's other than Van Dijk and Alderweireld. As you say, the trouble is you don't have a top defender or a system like Pep's to make the difference. Is there a big difference between Lovren and Bailly? Between Sanchez and Smalling? Between Bailly and Stones? Not really. With that level of defender there are always going to be consistency issues and flaws in their game.

    Bailly has been fine imo, the only problem with him has been his injuries. If he had someone like Alderweireld next to him, that'd be an excellent partnership. Lindelof looks abysmal, yeah.

    I also think your attack not finishing teams off is part of the problem that contributes to your defence. If you had an attack like City's/ours/Spurs that was capable of regularly putting 3s and 4s past opponents, that would take away some of the pressure on your defence.

    I think you need one defender. You should've paid the asking price for Alderweireld in the summer. Him + any of your other defenders would be a good partnership. I don't think your centre backs are terrible, they're much of a muchness with Bailly probably being the slight standout.

    Your full backs need upgrading massively. Shaw is having a good start to the season, but he always seems to have a good 4-5 game burst where everyone thinks he's going to make it every season before fading away until the next season. I thought he was going to be brilliant when you signed him, but I'm skeptical now.
     
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  12. gasman

    gasman Mr Whippy

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    Shaws alright going forward but he can’t defend consistently, that might come with age but he’s so far back in his development with injuries and lack of game time that he’s going to find it hard to recover. I’m not sold on him.
    Bailley I would keep, as expressed but the trouble is, we’ve completely ignored the obvious and now have the board stood up gawping on like judge, jury and executioner, outwardly oblivious to their own part in the what’s being played out on the field.
    I get why we’re kind of persevering with Lindelof (despite the obvious) because we’ve seen something in him and you still hope that he can adjust and become the player you liked the look of. He probably never will because in reality, he just shite.

    Jones and Smalling though, those pair of clowns weren’t good enough under Ferguson. What the fuck they’re still doing here now defies any kind of logic.
     
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